Revealing dress exposes women to objectifications The concept of modesty seems lost even on those who advocate for chastity.
Msgr. Angelo Roncalli once found himself seated at a banquet next to a woman who was dressed with little regard for the virtue of modesty. Others observed him, wondering how he would deal with his predicament, given his moral convictions and his reputation for diplomacy.
After the dinner, Msgr. Roncalli took an apple and offered it to the woman in question. She declined his offer. Nonetheless, he persisted in his offer, to the point that the woman asked why he was so interested in having her eat the fruit. He responded with a twinkle in his eye, “Because when Eve ate an apple, she realized she was naked.”
Msgr. Roncalli went on to become Pope John XXIII — now Blessed John XXIII. It’s not known what happened to the woman.
Offensive to God
Our Lady of Fatima spoke to Jacinta Marto, age 11 at the time and told her, “Fashions will arise which will greatly offend God.” It seems that she was speaking of today.
It appears that the sexual revolution in the 1960s brought about some rather shabby treatment of women by their men. This is because women bond with men after having sex with men, while men do not necessarily bond with women. Thus, it seems that women put up with more bad treatment because they didn’t want to go find someone else, once they had given themselves to a man.
The feminists correctly identified this bad treatment, but alas, their solution was worse than the problem: They tried to be like men with regard to sex, to ask men out themselves. Abortion would ensure their new “freedom.” The treatment got worse, the divorce rate continued upward (it is now double that of 1960) and many, alas, just ended up opting for lesbianism.
The point of all this is that women got a raw deal in the sexual revolution and came to be seen as “objects of enjoyment,” as Pope John Paul II described it in the 1960 book he wrote as Bishop Karol Wojtyla, “Love and Responsibility.”
In this age when both men and women are tuning in to “Love and Responsibility” and Pope John Paul’s theology of the body (see excerpt on Page 12); when young people are getting a good dose of solid Catholicism at universities like Franciscan University of Steubenville, Ave Maria and Christendom; and when young families are finding strong support for their faith in Opus Dei, Regnum Christi and the Neocatechumenal Way, the concept of modesty seems lost on just about everyone, including some of these very same people.
It seems that although many are digesting good words about chastity, the pictures portrayed by women’s dress speak a different message. And, as the cliché goes, one picture is worth a thousand words.
Objectification of women
If we promote chastity out of one side of our mouths and, by our silence, give tacit approval to the immodesty in our midst, we are kidding ourselves. By saying nothing about the immodest dress among women (not to mention among men) we are perpetuating the image of women as objects of enjoyment. We are prolonging the denigration of women.
In “Love and Responsibility,” Pope John Paul II writes, “The evolution of modesty in woman requires some initial insight into the male psychology.” This insight has been sadly lacking, since we have not explained to women just how the male psyche responds to women’s dress. And, when we explain it, we must be specific, since generalities on modesty are not working.
We all play a role
It’s rather strange to see women who are enthusiastic about chastity and the theology of the body show up at a wedding with spaghetti strap dresses or strapless dresses. Have they been watching too much television to think that they have to show their shoulders to be formal?
Women are not even allowed in St. Peter’s Basilica in Rome with bare shoulders. And then there’s the girl attending a solidly Catholic high school or college who arrives at the beach wearing a bikini. What gives? I don’t expect much modesty from nonbelievers, but from well-formed Catholics, I do.
I guess they just don’t get it. And, whose fault is that? It is partly mine, if I don’t speak up and spell out for women just what is going on in men’s minds. It is the responsibility of priests, bishops, educators,parents and men in general to pass on to women the facts on how they are being seen by men and their responsibility for the plight of all women, not just themselves. There is much work to be done.
Modesty is an integral part of chastity, and until we are ready to speak of both in rather specific terms, the moral renewal of Pope John Paul II will be stymied.
Until the chic chastity group gets very serious about modest dress and begins to live it, the dignity of women will not be restored, and they will continue to be seen, consciously or subconsciously, even by men who seek out chaste women, as objects of enjoyment.
From the Catholic Gentleman
Recently, a horribly raunchy movie made national headlines because it contained over 500 uses of the f-word. Yeah, it was obscenely obscene, and obviously, that level of profanity is unusual. But the fact is, vulgarities are becoming commonplace in music, movies, literature, and everyday language.
This growing trend raises the question— is profanity a sin? Is it morally wrong to use words that are considered to be profane? Let’s examine this issue further.
I’ll come right out and say it: Profanity isn’t always a sin—but it easily can be. But how are we supposed to know? Here are three principles I see in judging the morality of our speech.
The first principle is intent. What’s the purpose? For example, if you are furious with someone, and you tell them to go to hell (or worse), your intent is obviously to hurt the other person with your words. This kind of angry speech is always prohibited, even if no profane words are used. Jesus makes this clear when he strongly condemns hateful language: “But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be liable to the hell of fire.” Of course, there are plenty of other motivations for using profanity besides anger, but the point is, examining our motives will help us determine if we are sinning or not.
The second principle is degree. It is well known that some profanities are more offensive than others, such as words that have an obviously crude and sexual connotation. The f-word is undoubtedly considered the most obscene word in the English language, for example, and I don’t see any cases in which its use can be justified. Frequency is also important. If every other word in your vocabulary is a vulgarity, it’s probably a sign of a deeper problem.
The third principle is graciousness. “Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt,” says St. Paul— which is pretty funny since “salty language” is a euphemism for profanity. Anyway, we know what the great apostle means. Our speech should literally be grace-full. It should build up the hearer.
Now that we’ve clarified that profanity isn’t always immoral, I will state my personal position on the matter. I strongly believe that obscene or profane speech should be completely avoided. Here are five reasons.
1. It is unnecessary – I haven’t used profanity in about 10 years, and I have yet to be unable to express myself adequately. In fact, there are many people who go their whole lives without using a single obscenity. So why bother?
2. Our words will be judged – Jesus said, “I tell you, on the day of judgment men will render account for every careless word they utter; for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” That’s a pretty scary thought if you think about how carelessly we talk many times. Do you really want to have to justify to our Lord why you let fly with an f-bomb? Do you really want to defend why you told someone to go to hell? I didn’t think so.
3. It might cause someone to stumble – St. Paul was once asked about whether or not eating certain foods was immoral. He answered that it wasn’t immoral for those who were mature enough to handle it. But he immediately added the caveat that we should never engage in liberties that might cause our brother or sister to fall into sin. Even if you’re a mature Catholic, you must consider the impact of using obscenities in front of someone who might be horrified and scandalized by such talk.
4. It desensitizes us – Back when I was in the habit of using profanity, it took a lot to shock me. I could listen to music or watch movies with the a lot of vulgar language, and it wouldn’t bother me at all. But now, when I hear obscenities, it seems so crude and repulsive. Vulgarity has a way of deadening our soul to things that would normally shock us. And there are some things we simply shouldn’t grow accustomed to.
5. It isn’t classy – Ok, I’ll admit this is the least compelling reason in my case against profanity, but I think it’s valid. If you wouldn’t walk around in public in your pajamas or wear your pants so low your underwear can be seen, why would you say things that are the verbal equivalent?
As Catholic men, we shouldn’t ask how much we can get away with. That’s an immature attitude. Instead, we should ask if our speech is fitting for a follower of Christ.
In writing to the Ephesians, St. Paul exhorts us to guard our speech carefully. “Let no evil talk [sometimes translated “profane speech”] come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for edifying, as fits the occasion, that it may impart grace to those who hear.” This is the rule that should guide us as we examine our speech.
Men, let’s strive to submit everything in our lives to Christ, including our speech. Rather than seeing how much we can get away with, let’s strive to be full of grace and kindness in our speech. Anything less isn’t fitting for a Catholic gentleman.
The following instruction was released by the Vatican’s Sacred Congregation of the Council on January 12, 1930.
Instruction Concerning the Immodest Dress of Women
(Cfr. Canon 1262, §2)
At the exhortation of His Holiness, Pope Pius XI, to counteract the indecent fashions, many bishops have made regulations in their dioceses and forbidden Catholic ladies to wear fashionable but unbecoming dresses at the sacred functions in church, and especially when receiving Holy Communion. Though they had to suffer the insults that a heathenized press hurled against them, they remained firm in their prohibition of the unchristian fashion. The Sacred Congregation praises them for their constancy and publishes the following regulations:
1. Pastors and preachers shall urge the Catholic women to wear modest dresses, and insist that the mothers stop their daughters from wearing unbecoming apparel.
2. The parents have the obligation to care for the religious and moral education of their children and they must take special care to instruct the girls in the principles of Christian doctrine, and by word and example foster in their souls a love for the virtues of modesty and chastity.
3. The parents must keep the girls away from public gymnastic exercises and exhibitions; if their daughters are forced to take part in such affairs, the parents should see that they wear clothes that are absolutely modest and never allow them to wear immodest uniforms.
4. The heads of girls’ colleges and schools and the teachers must endeavor to instill into the minds of the girls such a love for modesty that they shall detest immodest dress.
5. The heads of schools and the teachers shall not admit to their schools girls who wear unbecoming dress, or whose parents wear them; if those already admitted do not heed the warning, they shall be dismissed from those schools.
6. The religious Sisterhoods shall not admit to their schools, colleges, chapels, or gymnasiums girls who do not dress in a manner becoming Christians, nor shall they tolerate girls already admitted.
7. Pious associations of women should be formed and fostered whose purpose shall be to counteract by example and practical efforts the abuses of the unchristian fashions and to promote purity of morals and decency in dress.
8. Into these associations are not to be received women who do not dress according to Christian modesty, and, if actual members violate the principles of the associations and do not heed the admonition to stop the abuse, they shall be expelled from the associations.
9. Girls and women who wear immodest dress shall be denied Holy Communion, and shall not be admitted as sponsors at Baptism and Confirmation, and, if needs be, shall be stopped from entering any church.
10. On those feast days during the year which present a special opportunity to inculcate Christian modesty, especially the feasts of Our Blessed Lady, the pastors and the priests in charge of women’s societies shall by appropriate sermons exhort the women to wear dresses that bespeak Christian modesty. On the Feast of the Immaculate Conception special prayers shall be offered in all cathedral and parochial churches and, if circumstances permit, an appropriate sermon should be preached.
11. The Diocesan Vigilance Committee, spoken of by the Holy Office on March 22, 1918, should at least once a year meet for the purpose of specially considering ways and means of promoting effectively Christian modesty of women.
12. In order to put these Instructions into effect, the local Ordinaries shall every three years, together with the report on religious teaching (cfr. Motu Proprio, June 29, 1923), inform the Sacred Congregation of the Council on the matter of immodest dress of women and what the Ordinaries have done to counteract that evil.
No. The only thing that may be “immodest” about makeup is if it the person’s reason for wearing it, is immodest.
1. The sole reason being vanity/pride.
2. The sole reason to tempt.
Be prudent. Love God. Serve Him. Be Catholic.
St. Alphonsus says that women can follow their local customs of wearing makeup without committing mortal sin so long as they have no sinful intent.
Some catechesis from Saint John Marie Vianney on those little bad habits that serve to undermine our practice of virtue and can eventually even corrode our faith. These faults may seem innocuous, even very human, but as St. John Vianney notes below, they are filled with the spirit of the world and can serve to draw us further and further from God. And, little faults can, over time, grow into serious sins. Perhaps there is some fruit below for many of us:
Another bad habit which is very common in homes and among working people is impatience, grumbling, and swearing. Now, my children, where do you get with your impatience and your grumbling? Do your affairs go any better? Do they cause you any less trouble? Is it not, rather, the other way around? You have a lot more trouble with them, and, what is even worse, you lose all the merit which you might have gained for Heaven.
But, you will tell me, that is all very well for those who have nothing to put up with………If they were in my shoes they would probably be much worse.
I would agree with all that, my children, if we were not Christians, if we had nothing to hope for beyond what benefits and pleasures we might taste in this world. I would agree if – I repeat – we were the first people who ever suffered anything, but since the time of Adam until the present, all the Saints have had something to suffer, and most of them far more than have we. But they suffered with patience, always subject to the will of God, and soon their troubles were finished, and their happiness, which has begun, will never come to an end. Let us contemplate, my dear brethren, this beautiful Heaven, let us think about the happiness which God has prepared for us there, and we shall endure all the evils of life in a spirit of penitence, with the hope of an eternal reward. If only you could have the happiness of being able to say in the evening that your whole day had been spent for God!
I tell you that working people, if they want to get to Heaven, should endure patiently the rigor of the seasons and the ill humor of those for whom they work; they should avoid those grumbles and bad language so commonly heard and fulfill their duties conscientiously and faithfully. Husbands and wives should live peacefully in their union of marriage; they should be mutually edifying to each other, pray for one another, bear patiently with one another’s faults, encourage virtue in one another by good example, and follow the holy and sacred rules of their state, remembering that they are the children of the Saints and that, consequently, they ought not to behave like pagans, who have not the happiness of knowing the One True God.
One particular weakness I have at this time of year is complaining over the heat and humidity of north Texas. God gave me a special gift in the form of profuse perspiration, something I inherited from my paternal grandmother. Ever since adolescence, I sweat profusely, even at 75 degrees if I’m working hard. This time of year, it’s a challenge not to complain about the heat, and its duration. I catch myself complaining at times, like last night when what should have been a simple truck repair turned into an hour and a half sweat fest. It’s an old habit, and not an easy one to break.
But since I read this sermon from St. John Vianney, I seem to be remembering at least a little better that complaining doesn’t accomplish anything but, perhaps, making me a bit more miserable. Hopefully that’s a first step towards overcoming one of my more major faults.
Cover photo from CatholicTradition.org
We consider what you asked about pants (femoralia) to be irrelevant; for we do not wish the exterior style of your clothing to be changed, but rather the behavior of the inner man within you, nor do we desire to know what you are wearing except Christ — for however many of you have been baptized in Christ, have put on Christ [Gal. 3:27] — but rather how you are progressing in faith and good works. But since you ask concerning these matters in your simplicity, namely because you were afraid lest it be held against you as a sin, if you diverge in the slightest way from the custom of other Christians, and lest we seem to take anything away from your desire, we declare that in our books, pants (femoralia) are ordered to be made, not in order that women may use them, but that men may. But act now so that, just as you passed from the old to the new man, [cf. Eph. 4:22-24; Col. 3:9-10] you pass from your prior custom to ours in all things; but really do what you please. For whether you or your women wear or do not wear pants (femoralia) neither impedes your salvation nor leads to any increase of your virtue. Of course, because we have said that pants are ordered to be made, it should be noted that we put on pants spiritually, when we restrain the lust of the flesh through abstinence; for those places are constrained by pants in which the seats of luxury are known to be. This is why the first humans, when they felt illicit motions in their members after sin, ran into the leaves of a fig tree and wove loin cloths for themselves.[cf. Gen. 3:7] But these are spiritual pants, which you still could not bear, and, if I may speak with the Apostle, you are not yet able; for you are still carnal.[I Cor. 3:2] And thus we have said a few things on this matter, although, with God’s gift, we could say many more.
* = inexpensive options
These are the best places to find skirts!
My favorite is Savers / Value Village – even though I am plus size, I found most of my clothing there!
Being plus size, I find it really difficult to find clothing that actually fit, or doesn’t look like a potato sack. My little sister, who is a size 4, also has trouble finding clothes that she wouldn’t have to add to, to make it modest.
The stores we usually shop at are:
JCPenny, Ocean State Job Lot,
So here are a few tips that we both use,when shopping at regular stores:
- Too short?
This is usually what happens to my sister: everything may FIT, but when she tries it on its way too short.
HALF SLIPS / SKIRT LENGTHENERS!
You can either find one you can use at a secondhand store, or you can buy one of these:
- THE ORIGINAL DAINTY JEWELL’S LAYERING SLIP
- Bring on the Frill Half Slip
- Slip Extender
- Floral Lace Skirt Extender
- Lace Hem Extender
- Women’s Double Layered Satin Skirt Extender / Half Slip Lingerie
- Knee Length Underskirt
- Pinterest and Amazon also have numerous results !
2. Low Cut?
Layering tees, mock camis, high lace bralettes, and layering tank tops are your friends 🙂
- House Of Daudelin Cleavage Cover UP – AuRevoir cleavage
- Second Base Demi Cami – Boatneck
- Mae Women’s Hi-Neck Lace Bralette
- Cami Secret Set of 3 Clip-on Camisole, Black/Beige/White, One Size
- Blouse Buttons – or you can just add a button yourself for cheaper!
- Cleava Snap Mock Cami
- Layering Tees
- Full Length Layering Shell*
- Apricot Apparel
Modest Clothing Shops / Shops that have Modest Clothing Available
- Boutique Abby*
- Deborah and Co
- Inherit Co
- Mika Rose
- Rachel Parcell
- Cleo Madison
- Jen Clothing
- Vence and Co
- 3 Brunettes Boutique
- Downeast Basics*
- Shabby Apple
- Mindy Maes Market
- Jane *
- Hello Modest *
- Jen Clothing
- Graceful Apparel
- Sacramento Skirt Store
- Morning Lavender
- Novae Clothing
- Poppywells Boutique
- Modest Pop
- Ypsilon Dresses
- Sweet Salt Clothing
- Piper and Scoot
- Tara Lynn Boutique
- Indigo Lane
- DM Fashion
- Wren and Ivory
- Krush Kandy Boutique
- Latched Mama*
- MotherCare *
- Classy Loft
- New Creation Apparel *
- Woman Within *
- Long Tall Sally
- The Elevated Closet
- St. Linus Veils
- The Modest Poppy*
- Skylark Clothing
- Dress Like an Angel
- Jade Mackenzie Apparel
- Kosher Casual*
- Covered Girl Clothing
- Double Header USA
- Slaydon and Rose
- Robbie + Co
- Olive Ave
- Olive Drew
- LuLaRoe The Purpose Foundation
- Gal Meets Glam / Julia Hengel
- Lindy Bop
- Just Skirts by Lori *
- Romans Originals
- Mikah Fashion
- Preppy Pineapple *
- Que Bonita Boutique *
- Style Plus Curves
- Hope Ave
- June Isle
- Linen Fox
- People Tree
- Pyne and Smith Clothiers
- The Darling Style Store
- ADA Faye Clothing
- Be Modest Boutique
- Beautiful One Modest Apparel
- Golden Lemon Boutique
- Yours Clothing
- Ava Lea Couture
- The Dressery Boutique
- Dress Barn
- Society Plus
- Lane Bryant
- Chi Chi Clothing
- Joy The Store
- Christopher & Banks
- The Pink Desert
- Florence Adams
- Neesees Dresses
When it comes to – wait for it – THE MARYLIKE STANDARDS and all the hullabaloo that some Catholic women like to promote concerning it. The sides to the “Modesty War” is more than just two.
As I always like to point out; one side (one of the loudest I might add) is the side of the “Toxic Trad’s“. These are the ones waving around documents from the 5th century claiming that women must forget prudence, Christian Charity, and cover elbows, ankles & anything that they presume is “a temptation”.
These are the ones ADDING extra rules (or rather, inches. LOL.) to the “Marylike Standards” and promoting it as “The Modesty Rules as Set Down By The Vatican”, which they are not. The Marylike Movement was a movement for modesty that anyone could join; it wasn’t and isn’t the Catholic Church’s (excessive) list of “how to dress modestly“.
This dangerous truth-stretching (thanks internet) take “admonishing the sinner” “instructing the ignorant” to a whole ‘nother level. Followers of this belief are the ones who are THE best at making you really feel like your elbow is going to send you and any man who lusts after you to Hell. Poor Devils. Excuse the expression.
For the larger, louder and (I must say this) annoying Toxic-Trad’s, here is something to ponder:
— If we were to try and cover everything on a woman that was a temptation we’d look like the poor women subject to Sharia law. —
But then again; just the mere sight of a woman can be a temptation for a man! What then?
But then again! Just the THOUGHT of a woman can be a temp– okay this is stupid.
Where is the common sense here? Is this how Catholics should act when it comes to any other temptation that can be either aided or helped by another person? Like, say, drinking too much alcohol? Or magic spells? Or dirty language? All these sins are also talked about in the Bible, and they also can include a person who is using it to tempt. Yet; it seems that when it comes to Toxic Trad’s, none prevails so greatly and so out of context as; what they believe is “Modesty in dress” !!
If this wasn’t a good enough reason in itself to prove that a reasonable Modesty Guideline/Standard set out by the Vatican to aid those who have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to “temptation“… I don’t know what is.
There IS a valid, charitable, Christian way to go about Modesty that all sides in the “Battle of Inches” just don’t seem to get.
Let’s take this step by step. (It makes it easier to understand.) 🙂
Step 1. Composure.
Regaining of Prudence through prayer and seeking God’s peace in the matter.
Attending Mass often. Praying the Rosary. Adoration. Practicing of Christian Virtue. Etc.
Realizing that God love’s everyone no matter how they dress – He loves the sinner not the sin. And realize that this “battle” is NOT; “I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG !” but the battle of souls taking place between God’s army and Satan’s. So most probably there will be division, confusion, and no one listening to you. But it isn’t YOU they need to listen to. Its God. So calm down. Take a chill pill.
God isn’t asking you to go nuts. I promise. Besides, the only time yelling and forcing ideas ever worked in convincing people was…. well… never.
Step 2. Battle Strategy Part 1: Tone.
Aside from prayer and focusing on your own salvation more than poking your nose into others? Calm tones.They say those who scream the loudest are the ones trying to prove to themselves that they are right, because they are actually wrong. There is no need for back-biting, detraction, rash judgement, or name-calling. How is it possible to “spread God’s word” on modesty in dress whilst breaking every commandment under the actual Virtue of Modesty & Chastity? Not gonna happen. And plus – its a nasty example! Calm down, watch the language, and breathe.
Step 3. Battle Strategy Part Two: Example.
We are called first and foremost to be good examples when it comes to trying to prove Christianity right to “un-believers”. When it comes to Modesty in Dress, it is no different. In fact, this should be RULE NUMBER ONE.
Dressing modestly is what you believe to be right, because you prayed about it, read about it/researched it, seen the approved sources/the proof, firmly believe that God is calling you to do this, and plus, it is a whopper of an awesome Penance!
(High five to saving souls! #OLOFatimaGoals)
Good for you! Don’t stop. But don’t force others into it. BAD idea. Example first.
Step 4. Battle Strategy Part Three: Authentic Sources.
It is pretty sad that this needs to be said… IF IT AIN’T AUTHENTIC DON’T SPREAD IT. You may really love the idea that women need to be covered from their nose to their wrists; go ahead and do it yourself if you want. But if you think spreading this idea is the best way to “evangelize” think again. IF IT AIN’T “APPROVED”; IT AIN’T WORTH CITING.
I CANNOT tell you the number of times I have to keep myself from smacking my forehead when I see THIS story cited;
“Padre Pio wouldn’t tolerate low-necked dresses or short, tight skirts, and he forbade his spiritual daughters to wear transparent stockings. Each year his severity increased. He stubbornly dismissed them from his confessional, even before they set foot inside, if he judged them to be improperly dressed. On some mornings he drove away one after another, until he ended up hearing very few confessions. His brothers observed these drastic purges with a certain uneasiness and decided to fasten a sign on the church door;
‘By Padre Pio’s explicit wish, women must enter the confessional wearing skirts
AT LEAST 8 INCHES BELOW THE KNEE. IT IS FORBIDDEN TO BORROW LONGER DRESSES IN CHURCH AND TO WEAR THEM TO CONFESSION.’”
In fact, if you Google “Padre Pio & Modesty” you get 62,000 results, and this same story is cited over and over again as if it is the sole reason why we must hammer our modesty beliefs into other people’s faces!
Today it is SO easy to re-post a story or a bit of news that sounds credible, but may NOT even be true! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ladies – CHECK. YOUR. SOURCES! Padre Pio WAS a lover and promoter of Modesty but he certainly did not bar people from Confessing their sins! Nor did he ask of them to wear 8 inches over the knee! A priest is actually called to hear any Catholic’s confession, the only time he may have turned a soul away was because, having the gift of reading-souls, he could see that they were not sorry and would not repent. And so, he would turn them away. Perhaps one woman’s sin was of vanity concerning her dress, and this she was not going to truly repent of, and so he told her to repent first and then come back later. This is the logical answer to the “St Padre Pio wouldn’t even listen to the confession of every single woman who wore skirts shorter than 8 inches past the knee” story !!
This “Padre Pio Story” is, in fact, NOT true.
Catholic Writer, and Modesty Promoter, Rita Davidson went to great pains to find this out for herself. Before she had cited it as information regarding Catholic Modesty in the first edition of her book, “Immodesty Satan’s Virtue“, but later decided to make sure it was credible. You can read a bit more about this here. AND in her book.
Other “sources“ such as a sermon from the 18th century by a priest who promoted the idea that “Women were only truly modest when wearing a cape and hat at all times.” Puh-leese. You want to talk about “medieval Modesty methods” ? Exhibit A.
Step 5. STOP. THE. NAME. CALLING.
…. I feel like a referee at a Kindergarten class with nasty kids! Honestly ladies! Be Christian! If no one will listen to you than, accept that you have done your best and pray to God that you did what He wanted… and GIVE IT TO HIM! Only HE can change hearts, melt nastiness and turn opinions! So stop acting like little bratty children and end the name calling!
So many bloggers, and even some “famous” / “well-known” Catholic writers have been known to blast other women because of their modesty beliefs. To the point of making the reader even question how that writer even still has a job; their constant fallacies when talking about the opposite viewpoint, their name calling, judging, and just plain mean & nastiness is enough to make anyone think:
“….and…..how did they get that job writing for a Catholic website? They aren’t even acting their age, never mind their “degree” in writing!”
Ladies (and men too!), stick to the sources, and be Christian. You are honestly a bad example for Catholics, and pretty embarrassing to say the least.
Step 6. Ask Yourself These Questions.
Is this MY opinion? Is this how I feel about it? Is this what I want? Is this the opinion/feeling/want of someone else? Or is this what God is calling you to do?
Is reading an article by a woman who declares her personal view on “Modesty” as “infallible” what you are basing YOUR idea of Catholic Modesty on?
Step 7. Be Goal Oriented.
If your goal is to “prove Toxic Trad’s wrong about their scrupulous modesty ideas”
If your goal is to “prove to ANYONE, that Modesty in dress is of no consequence.”
If your goal is to “prove that women can wear what they want, because its Post Vatican II, and the Pope never really issued Modesty standards and yadda yadda yadda.”
If your goal is to “some how prove that Popes, Church Fathers, Doctors of the Church, Saints, and / or Our Lady are wrong about the importance of Modesty in Dress…”
Yikes. Time to re-vamp your goals.
If your goal is to “try your very best to do God’s will; even if that means finding out something you disagreed with is something true, even if that means doing something that looks difficult; for Him, the salvation of your soul and the souls of countless people… EVEN if ‘God-forbid’ that means actually wearing more clothing than ‘you think‘ is ‘modest’…”
You are on the right track.
Now to wrap up;
People who decide to take on the idea that there is a “Modesty Battle” between Catholics, need to make sure that they are representing the issue (and the opposite side) fairly and accurately.
When it comes to the whole Catholic Modesty thing… why base your view on anything less than the Church? The Popes, Church Fathers, Doctors,The Bible, Our Lady, Saints, Catechisms (The Post AND pre Vatican II).
What do any one Catholic person have in comparison to over 2,000 years of Holy-Spirit-Inspired, Bride-of-Jesus-Christ, view on Modesty in Dress? And I don’t just mean that one line in the newest Catechism on Modesty. I mean THAT, AND the rest of the sources on Modesty in Dress (and word, and thought, and mind, and action and….etc) that are contained in the Catholic Church.
Let’s not be prickly about this. The Catholic Church’s stance on Modesty in Dress isn’t just confined to a few quotes in a ONE Catechism. There are over 2,000 years of history that go before that Catechism.